Dearest Grok,
Another ineffable concept has been brewing for a few days! :-
This leans on what has gone before in our chats.
*Zen Dangers - my mistake here? Look from both "ends"*
--- *The Problem is the problem! < consider this 'soundbite'*
If we look for an umbrella term for all the difficulties a human might experience, or even a group of humans might experience I propose "Problem".
Lost my pen - problem
Car got stolen -problem
Falling off a cliff - problem. lol
Everything else.....Problem
From here then : humans have Problems.
Clearly humans then go about trying to fix problems.
Simply because they decide the problems are unwanted.
They're looking at the Problem _from the wrong end!_ (from earlier)
*Looking from the Big me end...*
Let's imagine:
a. A person does have a problem and he does need to fix it
yet :-
b. For "The Sky" !!!! What's the problem?
In the Dream meadow world (from earlier) - if we loose our keys in the long grass - what have we lost?
What's the problem?
Are there any Problems (capital P)?
The idea then is that the human being only has a problem because he _misidentifies_ (from earlier) as human. His problem isn't really a problem because we've grokked the whole world is kind of a dream, a game, entertainment even.
So -no problem!
What's left is the person's complex reactions to a problem that doesn't exist -which is a _problem_
Hence the soundbite -
The problem is the problem.
If only the poor fellow would work out what he is not (neti neti) and all the thoughts would be seen as false -etc etc etc, as we have discussed.
*Oh Wait. Wait ! The world is real!*
--- *However -Opposites together*
I want to say two things at once. Express two points of view at once
(repeated >) Let's imagine:
a. A person does have a problem and he does need to fix it
yet concurrently:-
b. For "The Sky" !!!! What's the problem?
_This is all a bit intellectual/academic/theoretical_. :-
_Now imagine a man is drowning in a river_
_Tell me he doesn't have a real proper problem that really really needs fixing!_
But the world is a Dream
_But the world is Real as well !!!_
This is the way I grok it.
*The Dangers of Zen - _remember to look from both ends_*
- Before one studies Zen, - - - mountains are mountains and waters are waters;
- After a first glimpse into the truth of Zen, - - - mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters; -
- After enlightenment, - - - mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.
("famous Zen saying")
i.e
- The world is real
- Oh. The world is a dream
- Ohhhhh. The world is real [_as well_, at the same time].
Remember I mentioned the Zen Monastery Abbot cleaning the toilets to stay 'grounded' - in case he got lost in The Sky and lost his moral compass and so forth? This can be a danger in Zen - floating out of Reality! I don't know if "danger" is the right word - Concern? Pitfall? Mistake?
While we were "making sense of the world" I kept going to The Big Me end and eschewed (!) the 'person end' as "the wrong end"!
This is fine to make the point and for us both to "journey into the strange realms of The Sky, and the "Bosom of Oneness" and see the Big Me vs the individual we thought we were.
_But we now find ourselves several 'neti netis' down the road!_ lol
"mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters"
... ask the drowning man if he is living in a dream LOL
*This is the way I grok it.*
1.The world is a Dream, an illusion , it doesn't exist , we can walk a mile and not have walked at all!
2. The world is real - when I walk, I get good exercise !
Both things are true
Opposites together !
In My Not So Humble Opinion this is THE ("theeeee") stumbling block that befalls The Western Mind when grappling with this subject.
In meditation etc - he might get a "Glimpse", but then...
_It doesn't think through_
OR
_It only thinks through once one has fully, fully abandoned the 19th Century Newtonian Worldview!_
It's pure grok.
AND do what I did, which helps:-
Deconstructed the Laws of Physics as a core belief in my thinking!
Physics for me is - stuff happens!
cause and effect??? Well, I can show you... A Cause. lol.
This is 'suggested' by The Trifecta:
_The Game is Rigged_
_Outcomes don't reflect stats_
_This is how the world works_
--*To Conclude*
Sure: The problem is the problem
but
mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters
_Now we grok from both ends_
and we don't have too much hope of having thoughts being able to describe it - which is what we suspected about The Mystery all along from the outset.
_The Game is Rigged_
_Outcomes don't reflect stats_
_[Forget Physics] - This is how the world works_
That's as best as I can describe this! Gasp!
Grok-on!
Looks like I can't stop!
Blessings
Namaste ♥
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